Im glad they didnt because Id probably be ashamed admitting Im a liar. The pastor explained forgiveness and that Jesus has already forgiven his sin on the cross and if I choose to not forgive than I am believing in my heart Jesus didnt die for his sin. I do not know if laugh or cry , almost 30 yrs involved in this , Im still a Christian , I serve in my church , Ive learned more since I left the movement , I am happier more devoted Christian than when I was manipulated to go out soulwinning , bus driving ,Sunday school teaching etc. WebThe Road to Emmaus Baptist Church is an independent Baptist church in Monaca, Pennsylvania. While I dont have a general opinion on this, I do believe that we should discipline our kids in the same sense that God disciplines us. No one leaves on good terms unfortunately. Thanks for being thankful for the grace God has giving us. Scofield Bible!!!! I will cut to the chase: my Pastor and his wife took a much needed vacation a few years ago. We are not affiliated with any man-made external organization be it a Convention, Association, Fellowship, or National Denomination. If you think that other than suits and ties for men is too casual for Sundays While I dont believe that you must dress up for church with suits and ties, however, I do believe we should honor God in His house by dressing up. Not of works, lest any man should boast. Looks like youve forgotten to include haircuts (length and style of hair). BUT, there is good news! Every proposition presented for action of the church must be introduced by motion of one member and seconded by another. The thing is, its so insidious, you dont really realize its happening until youre firmly entrenched. Lastly, I cant really respond to the think that theres something spiritual about tolerating abuse because I have no idea where thats coming from in my initial post. Jesus died for all, and if God is willing to forgive me because Jesus died for me than I will forgive another because Jesus died for them too. Like I said, funny post, but a bit judgmental as well. I am unsure if she was already a member before her husband passed or not. or any combination of the above isnt really saved because of that/those behavior(s), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 52. Plus they believe that one cannot lose his salvation, Eternal Security, or Once Saved, Always Saved on the Calvinist view. 46. (2 Timothy 2:15), We believe the first day of the week is the Lords Day. In the past 25 years, Ive seen many children leave but very few come back. If you believe that the IFB isnt a denomination because they are Independent, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 37. People that oppose things is due to beliefs, so I believe if you oppose the IFB church its because you dont believe what their teaching not because there bitter. I found this site while checking for deceptions in different denominations, starting with Mormons. Jesus saved by dying on the cross in my husbands place. I grew up in a IFB school and then university, so I can totally relate. WebIndependent Fundamental Baptist Preaching and Bible Study from the Word of God the King James Bible at Vision Valley Baptist Church in MT. [5], In 2021, the NIFB-affiliated First Works Baptist Church in El Monte, California was bombed with an improvised explosive device. Steve, Im a 29 year old pastor of an independent Baptist church. What We Believe - Fundamentalist Baptist Church If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. All rights reserved. God Bless. I will never forget that day that I sat in my pastors car and he prayed with me, he didnt know what was happening in my life, but he knew I needed someone to pray with and I could see it in his eyes. WebSecond, it is Fundamental. Why would I even send a lost loved one to church instead of sharing the gospel with them for that matter? If you believe that declining to spank your child is the equivalent to spoiling him/her, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 31. They will trample the pearls, then turn and attack you. Romans 5:8 is about salvation. Only a person who has embraced the Savior in fa Continue Reading 4 AbdulQadir Salati If you consider it worldly and almost frightening if someone brings a different version of the Bible to church, and wonder what your Pastor would say if he knew, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Much to their horror, they could not find a church that had a Wednesday night service anywhere in the area. Most Christians believe everything in the Bible. Thank God for grace! You can forgive him, that doesnt mean you have to marry him. We believe in the reality of the person of Satan and that he and the fallen angels wage a spiritual warfare against the plan and purposes of God (John 13:2; Acts 5:3; Ephesians 6:11-12). XII. Independent Fundamental Hypocrites! If you believe that women are inferior to men and are to be submissive to their husbands, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. 15. God divorced Israel but Not judah..Jesus is the Lion of the tribe of WHAT?? If you read any other bible besides the Kjv bible you not sining. Told to leave them to the hog mire until they return to the father.. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things. A IFB member knocked on my door one Saturday and invited us to church. The New IFB is strongly opposed to homosexuality, with several pastors advocating the belief that homosexuals should be executed by the government. Its insidious and extremely toxic. These are not sacraments to earn salvation, but privileges granted by grace. Do you find them so humorous ? Mind you all this was before I repented and ask God for forgiveness. As of 2019, the New IFB listed 32 affiliated co I lied just to get government support saying My child and I live alone. You seem to enjoy copying and pasting scripture with no explanation or apparent relevance to the discussion so I thought Id give it a try also. People can ask for clarification if they want. Very few men are qualified to be pastors using your interpretation of scripture. His mom, Dorothy Chrisman, was a teacher at the academy run by Fairhaven. I dont believe they bought our loyalty, because we werent of any good investment. If you believe that all Catholics are going to hell, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 35. 31 But in saying that, you testify against yourselves that you are indeed the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. Ask questions if you need to and Ill be happy to explain more. Our path is narrow, must we fight amongst each other while we walk it? The Pharisees were filled with hypocrisy and iniquity and my church is not. The school was run by Lester Roloff, an independent fundamental Baptist preacher who broke from the Southern Baptist Convention in 1954 and founded a series We believe that speaking in tongues was never the common or necessary sign of the baptism or filling of the Holy Spirit and that ultimate deliverance of the body from sickness or death awaits the consummation of our salvation in the resurrection, though God frequently chooses to answer the prayer of believers for physical healing. We believe that the strict, literal interpretation of the Bible makes us Baptists. BTW, tithing isnt a Biblical teaching for NT Christians. I hope that you left your church in good terms and that they knew how you felt and whoever was wrong to be revived and allow the precense of God to bring the individual to the norm in other words what christian ought to be not what men want to be. If you look down on people who are divorce That is absolutely wrong. Hypocrites! Most pastors are lacking and are full of themselves because of one basic issue. Whether u believe its talking about judah/Ephraim or not. OMG = Oh My Goodness! Ive never been instructed their acting Rebellious or looked down on or had any concern for myself but they were rebellious. We recognize the ordinances of baptism by immersion in water and the Lord's Supper as a Scriptural means of testimony for local churches in this age (Matthew. You should read my article on that: https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/, Dont get me wrong but tithing is still scriptural, even within the New Testament. The Baptist Distinctives are easy to remember using the acronym B.A.P.T.I.S.T.S. 4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? My birth mother is a Catholic she didnt raise me. Refusing to eat at a restaurant because they serve alcohol Theres nothing wrong with eating at a restaurant you just cant order alcohol, thats all. What is the Baptist Church, and what do Baptists believe? Many of these, yes are extreme, be we also need to not be compromising in some areas. If you go to a church that sings/plays Just As I Am at the end of every service, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 21. Correction is my discernment. Pastors daughter did my hair and cleaned my dress with baby wipes. If you think that you should cut your vacation short so that you can make it back in time for Sunday morning Sunday School, but think its OK that your pastor miss a Sunday or two because hes on vacation, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 5. If I couldnt tolerate anyone saying something different I would instruct the site moderator to delete comments such as yours. 13. WHY do children that leave IFB churches hardly ever come back? WebWARNING!!!! (Ephesians 2:8-10; John 1:12; I Peter 1:18-19). What do Fundamental Baptists believe Jesus does that. We believe that the souls of the redeemed are, at death, absent from the body and present with the Lord, where in conscious bliss they await the first resurrection, when spirit, soul, and body are reunited to be glorified forever with the Lord (Luke 23:43; Revelation 20:4-6; II Corinthians 5:8; Philippians 1:23, 3:21; I Thessalonians 4:16-17). when you run into her at Wal*Mart. We need no other human agent or spiritual mediator. Its about Jesus. Sons of vipers! The Bible is our sole and final authority for faith and practice. (Psalm 12:6-7; 2 Timothy 3:15-17; 1 Thessalonians 2:13; 2 Peter 1:20-21), Each local church is an independent body accountable to the Lord Jesus Christ. 19 How blind! Get our Question of the Week delivered right to your inbox! If it did then unsaved people wouldnt be able to forgive. My jabs are defensive in nature. 10 And dont let anyone call you Teacher, for you have only one teacher, the Messiah. Clapping after special is music is wrong because it gives praise to performers rather than to God That statement is wrong. are the result of sin and poor choices, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 46. That being said, your list is probably only funny to those of us who have lived it. Gods people are the Jews.. from Jew-dajudah. The tradition of men, human opinion, false science, religious creeds, nor popular opinion override the plain teaching of God's Word. As God's priests, we can study His Word, pray for our needs, intercede for others, offer worship, and serve in His work. I think I find it more funny how you all think it IS funny and Im just over here secretly judging your jeans ;b, But, all teasing aside, the author and other commentators sound very bitter. If you believe everything said in this article then you must not have spent much or any time in a fundamental church. If you refuse to eat at a restaurant because they serve alcoholic beverages, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 27. Whether we worship with hymns or hands int he air praise and worship songs, we are all suppose to be on the same side. hypocrite. We believe that any form of homosexuality, lesbianism, bisexuality, beastiality, incest, fornication, adultery, and pornography is a sinful perversion of God's original intent for a physical relationship between a husband and wife. If you think that homosexuality is an unforgivable sin, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 55. We dont forgive people for their salvation we cant because we arent Jesus. If we must consider these points as a point for consideration, these ought to be a source form the Bible. Baptists do not believe that baptism brings salvation, but rather it is the answer of a good conscience toward God. No one is "born into the church." N/A If people asked rather than assumed there would be a lot less reactions. That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. Peace. Its not an Old Testament Law vs New Testament issue. Welpjust commented for the sake of the few who posted comments and clearly are rowing the same boat as I! Was so funny reading it, one thing that struck me is if an outsider were to read it theyd be incredulous, wondering how we stuck with it for so long. 19. If you believe that that the wine referred to in the bible is nothing more than the fruit of the vine I generally agree with this part especially when it comes to the Lords Supper because wine from a biblical perspective is grape juice even though I still question if it is NOTHING MORE than the fruit of the vine. The Trinity: Southern Baptists believe in only one God who reveals himself as God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. Clearly only one unforgivable sin is mentioned in the Bible (KJV even) and that isnt it. 25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word. Smoking, drinking, partying, dancing, listening to secular music or Contemporary music arent sinful though partying can only be sinful if you are drunk. That is the only sin that cannot be forgiven. Constitution and 26. Pastor and his wife paid for reception, photographers, and and shower. I did learn a lot. Welcome to the Duggars world of Independent That was an extensive list, and sooooo true! Independent Fundamental Baptists are one of the most legalistic Christian groups/. Who are the Independent Baptists, and what do they believe? No member shall If your pastor preaches against smoking because it is bad for the body but is himself an obese glutton, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 25. Apart from Him we can do nothing. Christ suffered and I would of rather take the word literally than follow the world. Im not responsible for how its perceived. Sermon Outlines The Bible-Believing Fundamentalist I can not forgive sins! WebGetting to it. So spontaneous but like it was planned. 2. N/A Abortion is murder. The bitterness argument has been answered many times. We didnt go, but they came back the next week. I must put it in Jesus Christ. I love psychology and I love my bible I use them together with Discernment from the Holy Spirit. God Bless. We only care when we see new faces in the church, whether guests or new members. I found myself laughing at quite a few of these because they are things that I used to believe. Im sure that this was meant to be funny but I can tell that you seem bitter. I was married when I attended before and now as a divorced woman, I know I probably would be looked down upon. If they are saved , I dare say they regret the day they walked into the very church you enjoy making fun of. It emphasizes love at the expense of truth. You got me I am an IFB college grad. I love devotions with the Lord. 43. We believe that Satan is a created angelic being who rebelled and who tempted man to join him in rebellion against God (Isaiah 14:12-17; Ezekiel 28:11-19; Genesis 3:1-5). And that boy who has grown up in Sunday School (because I brought him in my car every week) is now in 6th grade and has experienced the concept of unconditional love and promises that are kept things which would otherwise have been foreign. Singing anything other than hymns is too liberal While I do favor hymns but I dont see anything wrong with contemporary music since I like a good mix of hymns and contemporary songs. You can be a better Christian IF you repent of your sins and turn away from them and if you can grow spiritually. Also, we lived in a free Appartement with food stamps. This is an independent fundamental Baptist program that has chapters in churches all across the country. I came to get a few laughs but it sounds like you were really hurt by some church growing up. First get rid of the log in your own eye; then you will see well enough to deal with the speck in your friends eye. The New IFB began with Steven Anderson of Faithful Word Baptist Church in response to perceived liberalism in other independent Baptist churches. It is the final authority on all matters of faith, practice, and polity. Thousands of people, including myself, beg to differ. Anderson and other New IFB pastors have praised the Orlando gay nightclub shooting. Anyway, Im sorry that you had a bad experience at an IFB church, but that doesnt excuse you for mocking Biblical beliefs. This group is for fellowship, sharing of resources, devotional thoughts, posting of sermons, news of interest, ministry ideas, missionary/church links, KJV verse photos, and general edification. If you compromise too much with the world, satan gets in and anything can happen thats why the word says to stay vigilant. Womens should not wear pants This is not the case at my congregation. We struggled putting off our addictions, but over came them trough prayer. the Bible teaches us to prove and test matters. As I sit under preaching, sing worship songs unto the Lord, pray earnestly, read my Bible as often as I can, and search through commentaries to help me gain a deeper knowledge instead of surface reading, I KNOW Im drawing closer to God in a personal relationship with Him. It is the Divine Revelation of God to man and is the complete and infallible guide to faith and life. Believe it or not I can find time to pray while at the same time not sending my loved ones to an abusive church. The home, the church, and the state are equal and sovereign in their respective Biblically assigned spheres of responsibility under God. What a stupid thing to say. 18 And you say that to swear by the altar is not binding, but to swear by the gifts on the altar is binding. I have no opinion on this at people who raise their hands during worship music you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 34. The problem is assuming intent instead of asking. I like door knocking is any of our church compelled to do so? ALL sins are forgivable, even homosexuality although it is a detestable sin in Gods eyes. 4 They crush people with unbearable religious demands and never lift a finger to ease the burden. Three words vacation bible school *shiver*. Copyright 2002-2023 Got Questions Ministries. 10. But, all teasing aside, the author and other commentators sound very bitter and unhappy so I honestly feel badly for you. 5 Hypocrite! N/A It seemed more like an attack on what the Bible says about life than on a denomination. According to the ADL "Anti-LGBTQ bigotry and antisemitism are fundamental to New IFB ideology, as demonstrated by the doctrinal statements on their websites and the content of their sermons. 32. Who are the Independent Baptists, and what do they believe? If you think that tithing 10% of your gross income is the minimum, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 6. As of 2019, the New IFB listed 32 affiliated congregations on its website, most in the U.S. with some in Australia, Canada, the Philippines and South Africa. You ALWAYS have your KJV Bible with you at church, and turn to numerous verses each sermon. We believe in the bodily resurrection of all men, the saved to eternal life, and the unsaved to judgment and everlasting punishment (Matthew 25:46; John 5:28, 29, 11:25-26; Revelation 20:5-6, 12-13). If you party, DO NOT drink. Youre perfect for them because they dont want people challenging their belief system. IF you are a single Independent Fundamental Baptist where do you go to meet other single Independent Fundamental Baptists? I respond to IFB jabs, sometimes that requires a jab back. A church that has tract rack I dont know what they are for but my old church has one for storing hymn books (or hymnals), pew bibles, bible study books, etc. But I still think that every Christian should spend some time in an IFB church. More insights from your Bible study - Get Started with Logos Bible Software for Free! We did 2 weeks of counseling and got married at the end of our last session. Also God commands us to try the spirits to see if they are of God that implies God gave us the power of discernment 1 John 4: 1-5. I dont know your past, but I know mine and it aint righteous. They had made an idol out of church attendance. 8. Why do people think that I dont have time to pray for loved ones simply because I have this site up? Yes, see my answer to your first question. If you think that singing anything other than hymns in church is too liberal, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 15. We had been boyfriend and girlfriend for 5 years and a baby that was 10 months old. IFB church members know how to laugh and have fun. 9. (1 Timothy 2:1-6; 1 Peter 2:5,9; Revelation 5:9,10), The local church is mandated by God to practice two ordinances. We affirm without apology the doctrines frequently identified as the Fundamentals of the Faith, which include the deity, virgin birth, sinless life, substitutionary death, bodily resurrection, and imminent return of Jesus Christ. The reality is the ONLY TRUE CHURCH is the church that PRACTICES BIBLICAL TEACHINGS and NOT THAT OF MAN-MADE TEACHINGS because THEY ARE AGAINST THE BIBLE because I do ask the question that why there are so many churches.
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