They quit their jobs and moved from California to Newfoundland. When Bagby said he was going to anyway, Simpson asked him to come to his house right after. He'd been shot five times, including once in the back of the head, execution style. MORRISON: Winter is capricious in Newfoundland; repeatedly, spring is briefly offered and then taken back again. substance to it. The Bagbys attended the hearing, of course, and, could not quite believe their ears when they heard the judge's ruling. IMDbPro Starmeter. If nothing else is accomplished with this film, it will absolutely attach you to the too-short life that was Andrew Bagby's, and you're going to be sad that you didn't get a chance to know him -- but glad all the same that you know ABOUT him now." MORRISON: But Andrew did agree to meet Shirley in a nearby park. My TV-consumption habits for the past several months have been awash in murder, and Netflix knows itwhich is how, fresh from binge-watching Making a Murderer and hungry for more, I recently came across Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father. This odd documentarywhich deals with the death of a young physician named Andrew Bagby, who was a childhood friend of the films director, Kurt Kuennemade a small splash when it was first released, in 2008, but its worth revisiting now, in the midst of the recent bonanza of true-crime hits. The upbeat music stops and a little boy who speaks in that lispy slow muckle-mouthed way little boys do, asks, Why did Andrew get killed?. He couldve introduced his friends death any way he wanted, and he went with this, with a kid who can barely pronounce the word killed asking why one of daddys friends has ended up that way. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) (Unintelligible) Hi, sweetheart. The private member's bill was introduced by MP Scott Andrews of Newfoundland last fall after he saw "Dear Zachary" at a March 2009 screening in Ottawa and decided to do something about what he saw. Shirley and Zachary, then 13 months old, had been staying with the couple. The New Yorker may earn a portion of sales from products that are purchased through our site as part of our Affiliate Partnerships with retailers. -, "A 10 out of 10. But he was moved to honor his friend the best way he knew how, by making a film. I didn't have. They are prophecies. How do you represent the fact that when you see a crime coming from a mile away you still cant do anything to stop it? This is where the foreshadowed bureaucracy comes back. Dr. Andrew Bagby was killed on November 5, 2001, by an older woman named Shirley Jane Turner, who he had dated at a low point in his life. On the 5th, however, Turner appeared back in Latrobe. don't have these meltdowns and emotional scenes. You dont get over it. Couldn't be her. So I gave her the. Meeting her at 6. Kind of panic sets in, I guess, and that's when it all hit the fan, I guess. MORRISON: It's no easy thing to be a doctor in America. Kate Bagby - Mothers Against Murder *Verified* | ZoomInfo We don't--we don't gush very much. They still have friends in the province, people Kate said they wouldnt have survived without. He was such a good baby. KATE: On Sunday night I got out of bed and prayed because I thought Andrew was at risk. Then, upon. Nobody drives 16 hours after you've just broken up with them.' MORRISON: Zachary fell asleep in his car seat. The bill now moves to the Senate where it is expected to be embraced in a similar fashion. No less than seven of those friends had asked Bagby to be the best man at their weddings. MP Andrews was spurred on to the creation of this bill after seeing "Dear Zachary" at a March screening in Ottawa to which all Members of Parliament were invited. A review of Turner's and Zachary's deaths, released in 2006 by Winnipeg-based coroner Peter Markesteyn, concluded the provinces social services system failed Zachary and his death could have been prevented. MORRISON: Two weeks after Andrew's murder, cell phone records, would show that Shirley Turner drove all the way from Iowa to Andrew's, neighborhood in Pennsylvania, arrived there the day of the murder, and then, she, or at least her cell phone, returned to Iowa. So he came straight for me. was that they'd have to accept her daily phone calls. Corporal GARDNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, Dr. Turner, I'm Corporal Gardner with the Pennsylvania State Police. MORRISON: The girl was Heather, also an aspiring doctor. It comes down to probable cause, the right to bail and the presumption of innocence. Cpl. And if they don't charge her, they had no way to restrict her travel. A few weeks after, Zachary's birthday party, the Bagbys and Shirley took the toddler swimming, an, activity he usually enjoyed. The committee passed the bill unanimously, which is how it came to be heard in the House for a final vote this week. They told us that they'd found the body. MORRISON: Andrew's body was discovered the following morning with bullets lodged in his face, buttock, chest, the back of his head. The 10th Anniversary Blu-Ray and DVD are also available from other retailers listed below, and the digital edition is now available for purchase or rent on iTunes, Amazon Prime Video, and Google Play. Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father sounds like the kind of movie I would never want to see, which is why it took me so long to actually see it. "In a tragic ending, we bring new beginnings with bail reform so that no other family will have to go through the devastation that Kate and David have gone through," Andrews said. MORRISON: But was that what you assumed had happened? (Shears; photo of Shirley, Zachary and Shears; Shears walking), Mr. SHEARS: Suddenly everything rushes into you, and you realize that she, did murder Andrew. And thank God. MORRISON: Andrew was the only child of software engineer David Bagby and his wife, Kate, a nurse practitioner. Unidentified Woman #10: (Kate holding Zachary) Zachary. The pair planned to take care of the minutiae of dealing with a lost loved one, fly back to California and kill themselves. The material on this site may not be reproduced, distributed, transmitted, cached or otherwise used, except with the prior written permission of Cond Nast. Mr. BAGBY: We first got to see him personally in family court. KATE: And so she said, `Oh, take him and get him dressed,' to me. Digital: iTunes | Amazon | Google Play, Order David Bagby's book The legal system helped her kill Zachary. KATE: I thought, `Well, God, this is it.' With that kind of goodness, there is no limit to the possibility of transcending all manner of evil. Purchase the album on: Amazon (Physical CD) iTunes Amazon MP3, DAVID BAGBY'S "DANCE WITH THE DEVIL" RETURNS TO PAPERBACK AND E-BOOK, After four years of being out of print, David Bagby's book "Dance with the Devil" (Andrew Bagby's father's powerful memoir of the events depicted in "Dear Zachary") is finally available in paperback and e-book. Because she didnt know love either. See rank. MORRISON: But would that somebody turn out to be a blessing or a curse? You can reach out to David Bagby-cantu via phone number 915-383-8358. Unidentified Man #22: We will develop policy specific to children. I knew, exactly what my son looked at before he died. And Turner had said he was a, MORRISON: But there were some caveats. Its a muddled structure, and the film makes frequent aesthetic missteps as well, with frenetic editing, canned music, and heavy-handed imagery. They were good friends; it was he who Bagby had told about the fatal meeting with Turner beforehand. The Bagbys still hold a bitterness when they talk about how they were failed by a legal system that let Turner out on bail and allowed her to retain custody of Zachary. Now that Zachary was starting to walk, he was free to make a beeline to. It wasn't just to monitor the, extradition process. David Bagby - Risk Manager - McKinsey & Company | LinkedIn decision. https://www.saltwire.com//california-couple-want-as-many-/ saltwire.com California couple want as many people as possible to know their story | SaltWire Skewed imagery. Jackson, Kentucky. And one, of the first to see her there was T.J. Shears, the eldest of Shirley's three. I had lovely family. KATE: (Zachary hugging Kate) This is your Uncle Kurt. -Managed leading Egyptian companies' accounts with the firm, including in the oil and gas, financial, consumer goods, real estate and automotive sectors. (Kate and Zachary; judge in court; Shirley being escorted from court), Mr. KUENNE: I don't know. I sat there. Kate and David Bagby traveled to Ottawa last week to speak as witnesses for the bill before the House's Standing Committee on Justice & Human Rights. 2023 Cond Nast. (Supreme Court building; Shirley being escorted from court; photos of Kate and. Some of, those frames even at the dollar stores will say--there'll be little sayings on, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) if you want to say `Mommy and Daddy' on a. frame and stick a picture of me and Andrew in it, I don't know. That's what Kurt does, he's an independent filmmaker. Without access, without favor, without discretion, and without interference. In New York - August 8-14 at the IFC Center, 323 Sixth Avenue at W. 3rd Street. . The Bagbys, who recently marked their 50th wedding anniversary, say it sustained them for nearly a decade as they struggled to come to terms first with the 2001 slaying of their 28-year-old son, Dr. Andrew Bagby, and later with the murder of Andrew's son, 13 . He was like, `Eh, mm.' Its best to watch Kuennes documentary without too much background, but the basic setup is this: On November 6, 2001, Andrew Bagbys body was found, shot five times, in a park near Latrobe, Pennsylvania, where Bagby lived. MORRISON: The rage was tempered with a yearning to know just why Andrew had been assassinated. USA | Canada | UK, Original poster artwork by Evan B. Harris, Proceeds from this film benefit the Dr. Bagby Scholarship and the Dr. Andrew Bagby and son Zachary Bursary, Watch this short film to see the quest to complete Dear Zachary and amend Canadian bail law. Our SaltWire team is always watching out for the place we call home. Right? Mommy misses you. KATE: Ah, it was wonderful. Through a complicated series of delayed hearings and granted bails, Turner remained free for many months while the decision regarding her extradition was in process. On Nov. 5, Kate, who is originally from England, pictures Turner sitting on top of a Guy Fawkes bonfire and her family all around it with fireworks. DVD: Amazon | B&N But that is what the Bagbys. But that didn't erase their unease, or a remarkable feeling, (Shirley and Zachary at birthday party; David), Mr. BAGBY: I considered killing her myself, seriously considered it. And that was midafternoon. We couldnt actually believe shed (harm Zachary), but we consciously feared she could do that, he said. But something kept me going, and. And he was crying, so I went into the ladies room and sat there, KATE: Made her very angry. Senator Tommy Banks of Alberta will be the bill's sponsor in the Senate, and will shortly be distributing DVDs of "Dear Zachary" to all members of the Senate, just as he and MP Andrews distributed the film to all members of the House of Commons last fall when he introduced the bill. But their efforts to. MORRISON: How did you find out what happened, how he had been killed? This film will be one of the best you're likely to see this year." Mr. BAGBY: We were out shopping or something. This is the attention thing I was talking about. David and Kate Bagby moved to St. John's. They forged a relationship with the woman they believed killed their son so they could see Zachary, their only grandchild. Schultz quotes the brother of Hae Min Lee, the victim of the murder at the center of the first season of Serial, responding, on Reddit, to the surge of interest in the case: I wont be answering any questions because . The full hour will not be available online. An autopsy report would show that an anti-anxiety drug, prescribed by the very psychiatrist who put up Shirley's bail money had been, mixed into Zachary's formula. Kurt is incredibly grateful for the good folks at MSNBC for making this arrangement happen. Bagby came from Sunnyvale, California, and was the son of Kathleen Daphne Bagby ( ne Barnard), a registered nurse and midwife from Chatham, England, United Kingdom; and David Franklin Bagby, an American former United States Navy serviceman and computer engineer. This is Defector, a new sports blog and media company. (A huge thanks to the folks at Different by Design in Los Angeles, CA and Anarchy Post in Glendale, CA for making this possible and affordable.). MORRISON: When T.J. heard about Andrew's murder Mr. SHEARS: I just figure, `OK, well, he was in America. MORRISON: Ah, but there was a lot to say about Andrew. "Go into this cold and be prepared for a life-changing experience. Just from that, conversation, you could kind of get the sense that she didn't want Zachary, MORRISON: And for the Bagbys, Shirley issued what sounded somehow. And she followed Andrew to St. John's.. Dear Zachary: A Letter to a son about his father (David; Kate and Zachary; Shirley and Zachary). Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss: (Photo of Andrew; cell phone towers; photo of Shirley; maps; suburban street; photo of house; newspaper clipping; photo of Shirley; maps; cell phone tower; Shirley in court; court documents; flashing police lights; American flag. If it looks like she's likely to go back, how is she going to behave? MORRISON: Police got Shirley Turner on the phone back in Iowa. (It was announced, in 2014, that the documentary would be made into a miniseries. And thus the decision from which all else followed. How do you represent anguish of that magnitude without turning it into a Greek tragedy? This is without a doubt one of the most profound, touching and moving films I have ever watched." Dear Zachary recently won the Audience Award at the Sidewalk Moving Picture Festival in Birmingham, Alabama! And you just bought the gun, right? I would have to dream up some reason to go over, there in the middle of the night, to--for me to just appear on her doorstep, Mr. BAGBY: Turned out I wasn't. David was a . Lastly, Dear Zachary was screened in Ottawa on March 11, 2009 for various members of Parliament and their staff; as a result, a small but committed group of Parliamentarians are now drafting a bill based on the issues raised in the film. She. (David speaking to reporters; Kate speaking to reporters; David on radio show; "Dear Zachary" poster; Kurt editing video; photo of Andrew; photo of Zachary; Mr. KUENNE: I almost gave up making this film when you were, killed. Mr. SIMPSON: And he said, `I'm going to need to catch up with you, and we're going to have to do some serious talking.' Memorial University Medical School. Mr. SHEARS: I thought they were great with him. After the shooting, according to Kate, Turner called her claiming she was trying to reach Andrew. MORRISON: There might have been a particular reason for this. Shirley, held his birthday party at McDonald's. KEITH MORRISON reporting: He was everybody's idea of the perfect best man. We thought of him as a hostage, said David. They had to be nice to Turner, to keep her mellow, and not fight with her. Read the DocuWeek Q&A with writer/director/composer Kurt Kuenne HERE. Click here for ticket information! Please consider joining us in this mission by becoming a member of the SaltWire Network and helping to make our communities better. "Kurt Kuenne has crafted a documentary that began as a legacy of a friend in the form of a letter to that friend's child, and that is powerful enough to endure as legend. STORY CONTINUES BELOW THESE SALTWIRE VIDEOS. MORRISON: But as Kurt made his way around the globe, his tribute materialized into something far bigger, and much darker, than anyone could have imagined. dropping Shirley and their grandboy off at her son T.J.'s home (Photo of Zachary sleeping in car seat; streets passing), KATE: She said, `Wake up, Zachary and say goodbye to your grandparents.'. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I understand that. IE 11 is not supported. TO ME ITS REAL LIFE. Dear Zachary avoids the first pitfall by directly confronting the second. MORRISON: The ammunition used to kill Andrew was CCI .22 caliber bullets. I kind of. anything like that, would we take care of Zachary? They've retired, hang out with friends and travel a bit, David Bagby said. get a chance to have some of Andrew again. Only Kate and David, MORRISON: Perhaps the most irksome part of the deal with Shirley. In the end, she died, but love did not. It was like Andrew died and then was reborn for a second chance. The film is by the phenomenal writer, director and composer Kurt Kuenne. Mr. BAGBY: I have a lot of trouble with those things too, and I suspect what really goes on, what's called intuition, is really a very, very complex calculation of lots of little indicators, little things that Andrew said on the phone maybe. He's a little bleary eyed, but. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Would you be willing to turn the gun into your local police department so they could get it to us to let us look at it? Instead, the film's dramatic nodes are scenes such as the one in which Bagby's parents, David and Kate, recall going to identify their son's body. Office Manager. MORRISON: And, says T.J., in the way of her opportunities to be. We had negotiated a one-hour-a-week visitation in family court.
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